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lozzark
January 30, 2010, 1:43am Report to Moderator

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Moderators' note: This thread was split off from another so the discussion on turmeric and piperine (pepper) could be more clearly identified.


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Second question..........are there any foods in particular that reduce LDL levels.........seems HDL levels are OK.


Yes, oddly enough: Turmric.  You don't need much either.  Also it has many benefits.
http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice&dbid=78

Also many other foods help:  mainly just whole foods
http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=fightdz&dbid=25#discussion

High LDL may just be a consequence of poor diet.  Lowering it without improving diet IMO is foolish.
The mediterranean diet (Lyon Heart study) showed that good food can reduce the risk of heart disease irrespective of what happens to your cholesterol
http://www.americanheart.org/presenter.jhtml?identifier=4655

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Seems like they cure you of one thing and kill you with something worse.


Medicines tend to focus on the main symptom at hand.  Sometimes that is essential, but medicines can distort processes in other parts of the body, destroying natural homeostasis.  Often the body can adapt/adjust, but when it can't they call it a "side effect", which indeed it is.  Some side-effects can be worse than the original condition!



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I include turmeric in my menu daily with no noticeable affect on my higher-than-the doc-likes LDL. However turmeric accompanied by cracked pepper has other benefits.


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Yes, oddly enough: Turmric.  You don't need much either.  Also it has many benefits.


What way do you take it Lozzark - do you use H&B coated capsules or just use it a lot in your food?

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What way do you take it Lozzark - do you use H&B coated capsules or just use it a lot in your food?

Ziggy      ;      ;      ;



Hi Ziggy,

I just put it in food.  I've used plain boiled brown basmati for ages and apart from the yellow colour, the turmeric is not noticeable. Obviously I put it in curries, I made a chickpea one from Madhur Jaffrey's book last week.  (I didn't know chickpeas could taste that good!) But I also put it in spag bol, risotto & soups.

You can get big bags fairly cheaply from Indian Supermarkets.







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Nick

turmeric is a good naturally occuring anti oxidant

read a recent abstract, where researchers are trying to find out what it is that makes the turmeric so good........ and they are indicating it protects you against alzheimer's (do you know folk who have eatten curry their whole life, who have developed alzheimers? the 80 yr old man at the store is bright as a button!)

one additional factor......... for the properties of turmeric to be effective or 'activated' you need to add fresh ground BLACK pepper to the mix, in generous proportions

enjoy!


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Hi Ziggy,

I just put it in food.  I've used plain boiled brown basmati for ages and apart from the yellow colour, the turmeric is not noticeable. Obviously I put it in curries, I made a chickpea one from Madhur Jaffrey's book last week.  (I didn't know chickpeas could taste that good!) But I also put it in spag bol, risotto & soups.

You can get big bags fairly cheaply from Indian Supermarkets.
Note to the Moderators, you might consider using this or an earlier post in the thread to be a new thread on turmeric or spices in general. [Good idea and done. Mods.]

I can't eat rice in any quantity. But I do eat eggs in one form or another five days out of seven. I always add a sprinkle of turmeric and a grating of black pepper to omelettes and scrambled eggs.

Here is why I add the pepper:
Influence of piperine on the pharmacokinetics of curcumin in animals and human volunteers.

"Concomitant administration of piperine 20 mg produced much higher concentrations from 0.25 to 1 h post drug (P less than 0.01 at 0.25 and 0.5 h; P less than 0.001 at 1 h), the increase in bioavailability was 2000%. The study shows that in the dosages used, piperine enhances the serum concentration, extent of absorption and bioavailability of curcumin in both rats and humans with no adverse effects."

Ever since I was made aware of that by Annette on a.s.d. years ago I have tried to include a sprinkling of turmeric and pepper in some form in my food daily.

Another reason was reading this when I was a list manager on the ACOR CLL group:
     
Potent spice works to block growth of melanoma in lab test

"HOUSTON - Curcumin, the pungent yellow spice found in both turmeric and curry powders, blocks a key biological pathway needed for development of melanoma and other cancers, say researchers from The University of Texas M. D. Anderson Cancer Center.

Surprisingly, it didn't matter how much curcumin was used, says the researchers. "The NF-kB machinery is suppressed by both short exposures to high concentrations of curcumin as well as by longer exposure to lower concentrations of curcumin," they say in their study. Given that other studies have shown curcumin is non-toxic, these results should be followed by a test of the spice in both animal models of melanoma and in human trials, they say. "

I think this may be the original paper; if not it is certainly an interesting aggregation of the various other papers on the possible benefits of turmeric:

Curcumin Derived fromTurmeric (Curcuma longa): a Spice for All Seasons

I don't make any claims for turmeric and cancer or my dietary changes and cancer. I am, however, very grateful that my CLL appears to have been dormant since I made both changes.


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lozzark
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Hi Alan,

I see where you are coming from, but unfortunately the body cannot metabolize black pepper to piperine.

http://www.cochranfoundation.com/reports/piperin.htm

Having read that, I'm off to find some piperine!

If I understand correctly, it may be a way of helping weight loss.  It takes a lot of energy to warm the body and those with higher average temperatures tend to be thinner.


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Plus for the ladies (and gents as they can be prone too) this article about turmeric and black pepper
Click here for article

Lozzark - let me know if you find a piperine supplier. (Yes I'm still grasping at those pesky straws LOL)

Ziggy      ;      ;      ;


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(do you know folk who have eatten curry their whole life, who have developed alzheimers? the 80 yr old man at the store is bright as a button!)

Of course the peeps who have eaten curry all their lives and still got dementia wouldn't be wandering around for your to meet, unless you're a regular visitor to care homes Kate!

Margaret, I am glad Nige mentioned it, we did all kind of pass over the fact that your daughter is now diabetic and yes, she would be most welcome here!


Patti

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lozzark
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Lozzark - let me know if you find a piperine supplier. (Yes I'm still grasping at those pesky straws LOL)

Ziggy      ;      ;      ;


Found one.  extract of piperine is called bioperine

http://www.healthmonthly.co.uk/swanson_ult_bioperine_nut_absorp_enh


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Found one.  extract of piperine is called bioperine



Thanks Lozzark

Although I have found other brands which have the curcumin and the piperine combined in one capsule - which they say must be coated so it isn't dissolved until it reaches your intestines where it does most good (apparently), but at nowhere near as good a price as the company you quote).  (fast becoming a supplementoholic sigh sigh)

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lozzark
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Hi Ziggy,

Yeah, I found all those combined ones at 6 times the price too!  This one is advertised as doing the job, and there is nothing wrong with turmeric as food.  I bought a couple of bottles with paypal, just to see if it really is theromogenetic.  I know some things are though, because after certain curries and sometimes just ordinary foods I can feel my temperature rise, but I've never identified the specific components for sure.  I always thought it might be cinnamon (or may be cassia) that did it - but not sure.

Cheers,  Nick


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Alan
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Quoted from lozzark
Hi Alan,

I see where you are coming from, but unfortunately the body cannot metabolize black pepper to piperine.

http://www.cochranfoundation.com/reports/piperin.htm

Having read that, I'm off to find some piperine!

If I understand correctly, it may be a way of helping weight loss.  It takes a lot of energy to warm the body and those with higher average temperatures tend to be thinner.

I'm a little doubtful of that. He makes this statement but does not support it:

"Piperine and Black pepper, from which Piperine is extracted from, are not the same. The same results can't be achieved by merely increasing the use of black pepper spice in ones diet. If folks believe other wise, and some do, they are just chasing a moving shadow. Because it is chemically impossible for your stomach to break down black pepper and then extract the enzyme that makes Piperine. "

I have been using turmeric and grated black pepper as I described for nearly 8 years. I cannot comment on what goes on in my gut, but it seems to work for me and until I see a paper or reliable source confirming that comment I'll continue as I have in the past.

I also tend to believe in using herbs and spices in the form that nature provided them, or close to it, not in capsules or pills.


Cheers, Alan, T2 dx April 2002, Australia.
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I must admit that I am totally ignorant of turmeric, however I did find it in the 'spice aisle' of our large grocery store.  I bought a small jar and when I arrived home I found it is the ground variety with a shaker top.  Is this type still beneficial as opposed to fresh ground?  My husband and I have developed a fondness for curry roux and were wondering if turmeric tastes anything like curry?  Thanks for your patience.

Kathy


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Not familiar with curry roux Kathy, but turmeric is used in heck of a lot of Indian dishes, it not only helps the taste but it also is an attractive orangey colour so it adds to both flavour and appearance.  It isn't a 'hot' taste.


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