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Ziggy
September 27, 2009, 10:09pm Report to Moderator

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Just saw this advertised in a vitamin magazine - anybody know anything about it or anybody use it - it is supposed to be a carb blocker. So it is used for slimming I guess - does it also stop the carbs changing to sugar?

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Dave.D
September 27, 2009, 10:32pm Report to Moderator

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not heard of it before m8 just had a quick google around and found this info only
http://www.healthydirect.com/product/CARB+/d.jsf


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VBH
September 27, 2009, 10:47pm Report to Moderator
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Its not well understood and its at an early stage of research.  Basically its being pushed by sellers who take one minor study on rats with inconclusive results and blow them up out of all proportion.

There is the potential that it might be useful, but its most effective in those eating a lot of carbs.  However, none of the studies have been particularly good or have actually proved anything as far as I can see.

(all this according to what I have found on pubmed)
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mai
September 28, 2009, 2:26am Report to Moderator

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hmm i eat a lot of Cannellini beans, infact i ate some at lunch in a chilli i made and hmm my blood sugars rose from 7.3 to 15.1, so that doesn't work does it,  but then my bg are all over the place again at mo,


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Ziggy
September 28, 2009, 10:04am Report to Moderator

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Just found this -

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In addition, it is recommended that people who have been diagnosed with diabetes, or pregnant women, should not take Phase 2 carbohydrate blockers
. on this site http://www.ehow.com/about_5107880_phase-diet-supplement-side-effects.html

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lozzark
September 28, 2009, 12:53pm Report to Moderator

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Quoted from mai
hmm i eat a lot of Cannellini beans, infact i ate some at lunch in a chilli i made and hmm my blood sugars rose from 7.3 to 15.1, so that doesn't work does it,  but then my bg are all over the place again at mo,


That's interesting!  What else was in the chilli?  I can eat all of those sorts of beans with virtually nothing on the meter.

I tried the white kidney bean extract a while ago.  I saw no change, but then I don't eat too many carbs!   You have to be careful of research because they try things out on people eating high carb (cr*p) diets.  Plus stuff on rats cannot be immediately carried forward to humans, even though they try to.  Rat bodies really do work differently!



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Alan
September 29, 2009, 2:18am Report to Moderator

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on rats with inconclusive results and blow them up out of all proportion.
I'm going to tell PETA about those people. It's bad enough the poor rats have inconclusive results, but to blow them up because of that is just cruel.


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VBH
September 29, 2009, 8:36am Report to Moderator
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ah no its not because of the inconclusive results.....its a supplementary study into the effects of footpumps on rats
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